In many Youtube videos & comments (regarding such issues as the new Youtube Terms Of Service or Milo Yiannopolus being banned from Twitter) I have noticed people using a particular form of fallacious argument, which I shall refer to as The 'Inconsistent Application' Fallacy.
This fallacy has a long history in other settings. It has frequently been used by groups of people with certain political axes to grind to accuse the police and legal system of favouring one group of people (e.g - a racial or religious group) above another, and 'inconsistently' applying the laws on that basis.
In all cases where an 'Authority' (whether a legal system, a social media outlet, or whatever) is accused of inconsistent application of their rules to favour one group over another, one should never rule out the possibility that the accusation might be correct. However, proving that conclusively would require the correct standard of evidence, and unfortunately too often the accusation is merely based on selective data (a few cherry-picked examples), confirmation bias, and lack of overall statistical data (in order to judge if the examples given are representative of the whole)
This fallacy comes in a two slightly different forms, and I shall examine these separately
(FORM 1) Person from Group A does X - The 'Authority' punishes them.
Person from Group B does X - The 'Authority' doesn't punish them.
Therefore the 'Authority' favours Group B above A.
Possible Reasons Why That Conclusion May Be False ~
(one) Lack Of Overall Statistics
In the case of social media and internet sites such as Youtube, there are millions of users. Any single user can only ever be aware of the tiniest fraction of fellow users & what these users experience. What is experienced by the vast majority of other users is totally 'invisible' to us. We cannot draw an accurate conclusion regarding the overall picture based on the tiny 'sample group' that any of us can only ever have access to do. We may, in our own little tiny corner of an internet site, have seen three people from Group A have their accounts terminated & nobody from Group B, but how can we possibly know whether or not that is representative of the total statistics ? (perhaps overall, actually more people from Group B are having their accounts terminated ?) We can't possibly know the answers to these questions (& to claim otherwise would be committing the Fallacy Of Omniscience).
Internet sites do not publish any statistics that could be used to draw accurate conclusions regarding these questions, so speculating a 'conclusion' can only ever be indulging in Confirmation Bias, and should be dismissed as such.
In the case of a legal system (the courts & the police) overall statistics can be obtained. However, too often when people are making the Inconsistent Application Fallacy, it is not based on the overall statistics. Instead the argument is just based on two cherry-picked stories from this week's newspapers (e.g - in one case, a white person committed a crime & got punished, and in another case, a non-white person committed the 'same' crime and didn't get punished) and may not be representative of the overall statistics.
(two) Is 'X' Objectively Quantifiable ?
On the internet, the argument that people from Group A are "being punished for X", whilst people from Group A are "not being punished for X" is almost impossible to present as an objective argument if the 'X' in question is not something that can be objectively quantified in any absolute sense. For instance, people might have their accounts on a particular site terminated for 'Hate Speech', but most internet sites cannot provide an absolute definition of that term that could be universally applied to every possible interaction on that site (there's just too many potential variables).
Therefore, if one person gets their account terminated for 'Hate Speech', any individual can argue afterwards that the decision was 'right' or 'wrong'. Equally, if a person thinks a particular user is guilty of 'Hate Speech', reports them, and the site administrators decide that user is not guilty, any individual can argue afterwards that the decision was 'right' or 'wrong'.
However, in the lack of any absolute objective criteria for 'Hate Speech', all such arguments are likely to be based on nothing more than subjective & biased assumptions.
(three) Problems With Administration / Inbuilt (Non-Ideological) Inconsistency
Many internet sites are notoriously badly administered & inconsistent with decision making (regarding people reporting & flagging certain postings). Their reporting system is not run by the rigid standards of a court of law, and instead there appears to be a vast group of inadequately-trained administrators, who are not working from clear & definite guidelines, and are often making completely arbitrary decisions because of all that. Decisions are often very inconsistent , but this has nothing to do with them favouring one group of people over another, but instead has everything to do with all these random factors, such as which particular administrator is dealing with a particular report, and how they have chosen to interpret the very loose guidelines they have been given.
In any given period of time, some decisions are going to look like they favour one particular group, but equally, other decisions are going to look another particular group. In these cases, I wouldn't even necessarily suspect that it's individual administrators allowing their own ideological bias to affect the decision. Instead, I think it's just the inconsistency that's inevitable in such a badly designed reporting system.
(FORM 2) Person from Group A commits crime X.
Person from Group B commits crime X.
Person from Group A gets lesser sentence than person from Group B.
Therefore Group A is being favoured over Group B.
Possible Reasons Why That Conclusion May Be False ~
(one) Overall Statistics
Are these two isolated cases representative of the overall statistics regarding how these two groups of people are generally treated by the criminal justice system, or are they just two examples deliberately picked to create a false picture ?
(two) Numerous Variables
No two crimes are exactly the same; no two offenders are exactly the same. Therefore, no two sentences for the 'same' crime can necessarily expected to be equal.
If two separate people, in two separate cases, are charged with, what appears on paper to be the 'same' crime ,the events involved in the enactment of one of these crimes may be significantly different from the events involved of the enactment of the other. They may be of a greater or lesser degree of 'seriousness' in comparison to each other (for instance, one case of 'assault' might have just involved slapping somebody slapping somebody hard on the face once, leaving a bruise, whereas another case of 'assault' might have involved repeatedly hitting somebody with a hammer, breaking several bones). There may be mitigating circumstances in one case, that there isn't in the other. All these factors will have an effect on what kind of sentence somebody will receive..
There are also numerous variables regarding the offender themselves. Had their behaviour in that instance been completely 'out of character' ? Had they been suffering from mental health problems or depression ? Have they got no previous convictions, or are they a regular repeat offender ? Have they shown remorse for their crime ? All these factors will have an effect on what kind of sentence somebody will receive.
Even if, in two separate cases of the 'same' crime, all these numerous variables were exactly the same (which is highly unlikely) that still wouldn't guarantee that two offenders would get exactly the same sentence. The law does not work on the basis of a precise algorithm that has predicted in advance all these potential variables & can therefore 'compute' an exact sentence on that basis. An individual judge just has to consider all these variables, look at sentencing guidelines, & use his / her experience to determine what they consider to be an 'appropriate' sentence accordingly.
Even in that hypothetical situation of all variables being absolutely equal in two separate cases, one cannot reasonably expect two different judges to automatically deliver the exact same sentence. As I said, the law is not an algorithm (and it would be disastrous if it was).
Given all the above factors, it would therefore be illogical, for example, to look at two stories in this week's news, and say "A muslim was charged with assault, and he only got 2 weeks in jail, but that white guy who got charged with assault gets a two year sentence, therefore it's clear that the legal system favours muslims above white people, and muslims always get lesser sentences.". Without understanding, and taking account of, all the variables that would have led to these two different sentences, making an assumption like that is nothing more than bigotry, conspiracy theorising, & confirmation bias.
Thursday, 21 July 2016
Wednesday, 6 July 2016
SARGON OF AKKAD IN 'THE SUNDAY TIMES'
(The following is from the U.K newspaper 'The Sunday Times' - 5th Jume 2016)
I SET OUT TO TROLL HER - WHY ALL THIS FUSS ABOUT 600 RAPE TWEETS ?
The online abuse against Jess Philipps MP last week was set off by 'the most toxic misogynist'. He's not backing down, he tells Martin Daubney.
Until last Monday, Carl Benjamin was a largely unknown 36-tear-old married father of two, who made Youtube videos railing against political correctness from his comfortable house in Swindon.
Then he found himself at the centre of a tabloid and internet frenzy that saw him accused of instigating a "hateful" misogynistic trolling campaign against the Labour MP Jess Philipps.
The farrago began when Benjamin decided to lambast Reclaim The Internet, a cross-party campaign aiming to defeat online misogyny. Benjamin called this "social communism". It was spearheaded by Philipps.
When Philipps wrote "People talking about raping me isn't fun, but has become somewhat par for the course", Benjamin, using his online alter ego Sargon of Akkad, tweeted: "I wouldn't even rape you, Jess Philipps".
Benjamin's online followers then leapt into action, with many repeating his statement.
On Monday morning, Philipps tweeted: "600-odd notifications talking about my rape in one night. I think Twitter is dead".
Benjamin was blamed for atarting what she called the "dog pile". Celebrities and MPs rallied around Philipps - one calling Benjamin a "shithead" - and pressure was applied to remove hi from Twitter.
Yet Benjamin is unrepentant and fails to see what the fuss is about. He doesn't accept that what he did was deeply hurtful, and justifies this actions through a defence of free speech.
"I never made any threats", he says. "It was a classic example of how the regressive left tries to shame and silence anybody who disagrees with them. Any criticism of a woman by a an is called misogyny. It's ridiculous".
The story was quickly picked up by television and print media.On BBC News, Philipps said: "(The trolls') level of discourse is they don't want to rape me, as raping is something they'd do to someone they liked".
Benjamin rapidly became portrayed as the internet's most toxic misogynist, a claim he laughs off.
"I'm not going to lie, I was trying to be provocative", he says. "I wasn't being respectful. I was being condescending and childish".
"But I've never sent anyone a rape threat. It's wrong to do it. How can tweets about not raping be construed as rape threats?".
Benjamin admits he has been planning to target Philipps since last November, when she mocked men's issues in a backbench committee meeting during the run-up to International Men's Day. He does this sort of thing full time, releasing expletive-riddled Youtube videos called This Week In Stupid, which have garnered him a cult following in an area of the internet known as the 'manosphere'.
Does he not see how it might feel to be on the other end of such a nasty tweet ?
"(Philipps) laughed about the idea of a en's rights debate in parliament and that made me think, 'I've got no respect for her', " he says. "That made a lot of men angry. Reclaim The Internet are arguing for special privilege for themselves. They want to censor the internet and police other people. It's deeply authoritarian".
"There were quite a few people trolling her, mocking her, taking the piss, but that's as far as it went".
Benjamin refuses to back down. "I never contravened Twitter's code of conduct", he says. "I'll be damned if I'll apologise to Jess Philipps".
The MP, however, remains "bitterly disappointed" her trolls haven't been kicked off Twitter. "Twitter is colluding with my abusers", she said.
(Note - I intend to write an analysis of this piece when I have the time. Please check this blog again soon.)
I SET OUT TO TROLL HER - WHY ALL THIS FUSS ABOUT 600 RAPE TWEETS ?
The online abuse against Jess Philipps MP last week was set off by 'the most toxic misogynist'. He's not backing down, he tells Martin Daubney.
Until last Monday, Carl Benjamin was a largely unknown 36-tear-old married father of two, who made Youtube videos railing against political correctness from his comfortable house in Swindon.
Then he found himself at the centre of a tabloid and internet frenzy that saw him accused of instigating a "hateful" misogynistic trolling campaign against the Labour MP Jess Philipps.
The farrago began when Benjamin decided to lambast Reclaim The Internet, a cross-party campaign aiming to defeat online misogyny. Benjamin called this "social communism". It was spearheaded by Philipps.
When Philipps wrote "People talking about raping me isn't fun, but has become somewhat par for the course", Benjamin, using his online alter ego Sargon of Akkad, tweeted: "I wouldn't even rape you, Jess Philipps".
Benjamin's online followers then leapt into action, with many repeating his statement.
On Monday morning, Philipps tweeted: "600-odd notifications talking about my rape in one night. I think Twitter is dead".
Benjamin was blamed for atarting what she called the "dog pile". Celebrities and MPs rallied around Philipps - one calling Benjamin a "shithead" - and pressure was applied to remove hi from Twitter.
Yet Benjamin is unrepentant and fails to see what the fuss is about. He doesn't accept that what he did was deeply hurtful, and justifies this actions through a defence of free speech.
"I never made any threats", he says. "It was a classic example of how the regressive left tries to shame and silence anybody who disagrees with them. Any criticism of a woman by a an is called misogyny. It's ridiculous".
The story was quickly picked up by television and print media.On BBC News, Philipps said: "(The trolls') level of discourse is they don't want to rape me, as raping is something they'd do to someone they liked".
Benjamin rapidly became portrayed as the internet's most toxic misogynist, a claim he laughs off.
"I'm not going to lie, I was trying to be provocative", he says. "I wasn't being respectful. I was being condescending and childish".
"But I've never sent anyone a rape threat. It's wrong to do it. How can tweets about not raping be construed as rape threats?".
Benjamin admits he has been planning to target Philipps since last November, when she mocked men's issues in a backbench committee meeting during the run-up to International Men's Day. He does this sort of thing full time, releasing expletive-riddled Youtube videos called This Week In Stupid, which have garnered him a cult following in an area of the internet known as the 'manosphere'.
Does he not see how it might feel to be on the other end of such a nasty tweet ?
"(Philipps) laughed about the idea of a en's rights debate in parliament and that made me think, 'I've got no respect for her', " he says. "That made a lot of men angry. Reclaim The Internet are arguing for special privilege for themselves. They want to censor the internet and police other people. It's deeply authoritarian".
"There were quite a few people trolling her, mocking her, taking the piss, but that's as far as it went".
Benjamin refuses to back down. "I never contravened Twitter's code of conduct", he says. "I'll be damned if I'll apologise to Jess Philipps".
The MP, however, remains "bitterly disappointed" her trolls haven't been kicked off Twitter. "Twitter is colluding with my abusers", she said.
(Note - I intend to write an analysis of this piece when I have the time. Please check this blog again soon.)
Thursday, 16 June 2016
Types Of Feminism - Response
This is a very impressive body of research. I've gone through it carefully over the last few days. I even followed much of it back to the sources you've quoted (a good practice for readers to see if the author is giving an accurate representation of the source, or is cherry-picking to back up an agenda) & found you'd been very fair & accurate in representing the source material.
As you no doubt realised whilst doing your research, this is a very complex subject, & the precise deliniations between different different feminist groups & schools of thought are sometimes not very clear. and it sometimes comes down to individual interpretation.There's always going to be a degree of disagreement about this (for instance, I wouldn't personally have put anarcho-feminism as a sub-group of Marxist Feminism) but on the whole I would say this is a good objective body of work that should be read by more people.
There are a few issues I have with some of this that are not the fault of the author, but instead due to the limitations of the source material. Even though you have used unbiased sources, even a lengthy source article is going to be a very condensed summation of a significantly bigger subject, & inevitably, even with the best intentions, a lot facts will have to be omitted.
Because some of the source articles reduce the subject to dry academic facts & political analysis, many of them fail to capture the real 'spirit' or 'feel' of the movement. I would recommend anybody wanting to further research some of these strands of feminism to find interviews with the key members of these strands, because that will greatly enhance your understanding far more than an analytic article can.
For instance, many branches of late 1960s / early 1970s second wave feminism were tied in with the counter-culture of that period, when people were very idealistic & had a real sense of personal empowerment. Many women involved in these strands (particularly what was known as the women's liberation movement) strongly believed that women should NOT get any 'special treatment', had to prove themselves by their own merits (equality of opportunity), were strongly against censorship of speech & ideas (no matter how 'offensive') & didn't want 'quotas' or 'affirmative action'. This 'spirit' of self-empowernment can never be captured in an analytic article (& is woefully lacking in the source material) but I think further research would reveal that in fact there was a lot of what was going on in certain strands of second wave feminism that was very much in alignment with the principles of egalitarian feminism (though equally there was a lot that wasn't).
There also is a 'lost period' of feminism between the death of the second wave (late 1970s) & the start of the third wave (circa 1990s, though one can never put exact dates on these things). This period hasn't been documented well (possibly because there was very few feminist 'celebrities' or best-selling books to have come out of it) but it was a period where feminism got away from the grip of middle-class academics & professors & went back to being a grass roots movement. In the u.k, this grass roots feminism was incredibly powerful. Feminists were major supporters of the striking miners in the great British miners strike of the early 1980s, showing that they were willing to support hard-working men when they were being beaten down by a tyrannical right wing despot (Mrs Thatcher - a woman no less). There was also Greenham Common Women's Peace Camp, showing one of the most incredible examples of female empowernent that's even been demonstarted. Thousands of 'ordinary women' were prepared to take on the might of the U.K & U.S military ! (& put up with continued arrest & eviction). Regardless of people's personal politics, or whether you agree with them, these women were truly inspirational in showing what women are capable of doing.
The other issue I have with some of the source material (& the conclusions drawn from it) is regarding 'Marxist Feminism'. I am extremely wary of the word 'Marxist' being applied to any any body of thought or group of people unless that group self-identifies as 'Marxist' or admits to drawing ideas from Marxism. The reason I am wary is that too often (especially in YouTube comments) the word 'Marxist' is used as a 'Poisoning The Well' term, People no longer have to explain what's actually 'wrong' with Marxism - it's taken as a given (by a certain audience) that 'Marxism' is inherently evil are - so the use of that term can often just be like tainting an opponent with the word 'Nazi'..
Inevitably, when people stain their opponents with the 'Marxist' slur, what they're doing is commiting a deductive fallacy. ('Marx believed X. These people believe X. Therefore these people are 'Marxists'). In order for a belief to be truly 'Marxist' it would need to be a belief that was exclusive to Marxism alone (& not found outside of Marxism), & unfortunately this is rarely the case.
People usually apply the term 'Marxist' to anybody following a collectivist idea or principle (again stressing the point that people are using a deductive fallacy here - All Marxists are collectivists but not all collectivists are Marxists). However, forms of collectivism have been part of many human societies for at least ten thousand years. It is an idea that people will try out & return to again & again (depending on circumstances within societies). Recent historical research has postulated that hunter-gatherer societies were based on egalitarian & collectivist principles (& they certainly weren't reading Marx!) & Marx himself even refered to these societies as 'primitive communism'. (Interestingly, the earliest societies were more 'gatherer' than 'hunter' & the meat they ate was scavenged, so there wasn't a sexual division of labour between 'hunters' & 'gatherers').
Some of the articles I followed back to source (regarding 'Marxist Feminism') create the association between these two words by insinuation / association only - there's no genuine 'joining up of the dots'. I suspect this is because there's nothing some academics like better than showing off their knowledge of Marxism & Dialectical Materialism & Post-mOdernism, so they shoehorn all that blather into some of these articles whether or not it's applicable to the group of people they're talking about.
Yes, there ARE 'Marxist Feminists', but the only genuine Marxist Feminists are self identified ones, & we should (for the sake of intellectual honesty) stop using the slur 'Marxist' on feminists who are NOT self-identified Marxists (I personally am sick of idiots on Youtube calling me a 'Marxist' because I identify as a feminist). There's also a problem with comparing Identity Politics to a Marxist idea of 'class' (the tired old chestnut of "Replace the word' 'men'' with 'Bourgeousie' & the word 'women' with 'the working class' & what you're talking about is Marxism). Again, that's a deductive fallacy, because the idea of observing societies based on the stratification of particular groups of people is NOT exclusive to Marxism, and in fact many societies DO have demonstrable stratification of different groups of people, & you don't need to be a 'Marxist' or use 'Marxist analysis' to point that out (E.G - Apartheid South Africa, where obviously black people were oppressed as a 'class'. Is that not self-evident, or could only a 'Marxist' be capable of observing that ?)
Much of second-wave feminism was actually a response to Marxism (in the sense of countering a Marxist idea). Because some strands of second-wave feminism were tied in with the counter-culture of the time, & because Marxist ideas held a lot of sway in the counter-culture, many second wave feminists wanted to challenge the Marxist idea that capitalism was the primary source of oppression. The idea that gender / sex was actually the primary source of oppression was an idea created in second wave feminism partly to counter Marxist ideas (& yet, second-wave feminists still get routinely refered to as 'Marxists' !),
Much as I personally have a lot of problems with Intersectional Feminism, I don't think that just because they share some ideas with those held by Marxists, that they can legitimately be described as 'Marxist' (or Neo Marxist') any more than I believe that just because an octopus has a beak it makes it a bird. We all have beliefs that overlap with beliefs with other groups (everybody reading this will share at least one belief with Hitler) but as any wise person knows - correlation does not imply causation.
These quibbles aside (bearing in mind that nobody is going to write a 'types of feminism' article that any reader will ever agree 100% with) I commend this piece as an excellent work of research that has been written very fairly & objectively.
Link to original article ~
http://egafeminist.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/summary-types-of-feminism.html
As you no doubt realised whilst doing your research, this is a very complex subject, & the precise deliniations between different different feminist groups & schools of thought are sometimes not very clear. and it sometimes comes down to individual interpretation.There's always going to be a degree of disagreement about this (for instance, I wouldn't personally have put anarcho-feminism as a sub-group of Marxist Feminism) but on the whole I would say this is a good objective body of work that should be read by more people.
There are a few issues I have with some of this that are not the fault of the author, but instead due to the limitations of the source material. Even though you have used unbiased sources, even a lengthy source article is going to be a very condensed summation of a significantly bigger subject, & inevitably, even with the best intentions, a lot facts will have to be omitted.
Because some of the source articles reduce the subject to dry academic facts & political analysis, many of them fail to capture the real 'spirit' or 'feel' of the movement. I would recommend anybody wanting to further research some of these strands of feminism to find interviews with the key members of these strands, because that will greatly enhance your understanding far more than an analytic article can.
For instance, many branches of late 1960s / early 1970s second wave feminism were tied in with the counter-culture of that period, when people were very idealistic & had a real sense of personal empowerment. Many women involved in these strands (particularly what was known as the women's liberation movement) strongly believed that women should NOT get any 'special treatment', had to prove themselves by their own merits (equality of opportunity), were strongly against censorship of speech & ideas (no matter how 'offensive') & didn't want 'quotas' or 'affirmative action'. This 'spirit' of self-empowernment can never be captured in an analytic article (& is woefully lacking in the source material) but I think further research would reveal that in fact there was a lot of what was going on in certain strands of second wave feminism that was very much in alignment with the principles of egalitarian feminism (though equally there was a lot that wasn't).
There also is a 'lost period' of feminism between the death of the second wave (late 1970s) & the start of the third wave (circa 1990s, though one can never put exact dates on these things). This period hasn't been documented well (possibly because there was very few feminist 'celebrities' or best-selling books to have come out of it) but it was a period where feminism got away from the grip of middle-class academics & professors & went back to being a grass roots movement. In the u.k, this grass roots feminism was incredibly powerful. Feminists were major supporters of the striking miners in the great British miners strike of the early 1980s, showing that they were willing to support hard-working men when they were being beaten down by a tyrannical right wing despot (Mrs Thatcher - a woman no less). There was also Greenham Common Women's Peace Camp, showing one of the most incredible examples of female empowernent that's even been demonstarted. Thousands of 'ordinary women' were prepared to take on the might of the U.K & U.S military ! (& put up with continued arrest & eviction). Regardless of people's personal politics, or whether you agree with them, these women were truly inspirational in showing what women are capable of doing.
The other issue I have with some of the source material (& the conclusions drawn from it) is regarding 'Marxist Feminism'. I am extremely wary of the word 'Marxist' being applied to any any body of thought or group of people unless that group self-identifies as 'Marxist' or admits to drawing ideas from Marxism. The reason I am wary is that too often (especially in YouTube comments) the word 'Marxist' is used as a 'Poisoning The Well' term, People no longer have to explain what's actually 'wrong' with Marxism - it's taken as a given (by a certain audience) that 'Marxism' is inherently evil are - so the use of that term can often just be like tainting an opponent with the word 'Nazi'..
Inevitably, when people stain their opponents with the 'Marxist' slur, what they're doing is commiting a deductive fallacy. ('Marx believed X. These people believe X. Therefore these people are 'Marxists'). In order for a belief to be truly 'Marxist' it would need to be a belief that was exclusive to Marxism alone (& not found outside of Marxism), & unfortunately this is rarely the case.
People usually apply the term 'Marxist' to anybody following a collectivist idea or principle (again stressing the point that people are using a deductive fallacy here - All Marxists are collectivists but not all collectivists are Marxists). However, forms of collectivism have been part of many human societies for at least ten thousand years. It is an idea that people will try out & return to again & again (depending on circumstances within societies). Recent historical research has postulated that hunter-gatherer societies were based on egalitarian & collectivist principles (& they certainly weren't reading Marx!) & Marx himself even refered to these societies as 'primitive communism'. (Interestingly, the earliest societies were more 'gatherer' than 'hunter' & the meat they ate was scavenged, so there wasn't a sexual division of labour between 'hunters' & 'gatherers').
Some of the articles I followed back to source (regarding 'Marxist Feminism') create the association between these two words by insinuation / association only - there's no genuine 'joining up of the dots'. I suspect this is because there's nothing some academics like better than showing off their knowledge of Marxism & Dialectical Materialism & Post-mOdernism, so they shoehorn all that blather into some of these articles whether or not it's applicable to the group of people they're talking about.
Yes, there ARE 'Marxist Feminists', but the only genuine Marxist Feminists are self identified ones, & we should (for the sake of intellectual honesty) stop using the slur 'Marxist' on feminists who are NOT self-identified Marxists (I personally am sick of idiots on Youtube calling me a 'Marxist' because I identify as a feminist). There's also a problem with comparing Identity Politics to a Marxist idea of 'class' (the tired old chestnut of "Replace the word' 'men'' with 'Bourgeousie' & the word 'women' with 'the working class' & what you're talking about is Marxism). Again, that's a deductive fallacy, because the idea of observing societies based on the stratification of particular groups of people is NOT exclusive to Marxism, and in fact many societies DO have demonstrable stratification of different groups of people, & you don't need to be a 'Marxist' or use 'Marxist analysis' to point that out (E.G - Apartheid South Africa, where obviously black people were oppressed as a 'class'. Is that not self-evident, or could only a 'Marxist' be capable of observing that ?)
Much of second-wave feminism was actually a response to Marxism (in the sense of countering a Marxist idea). Because some strands of second-wave feminism were tied in with the counter-culture of the time, & because Marxist ideas held a lot of sway in the counter-culture, many second wave feminists wanted to challenge the Marxist idea that capitalism was the primary source of oppression. The idea that gender / sex was actually the primary source of oppression was an idea created in second wave feminism partly to counter Marxist ideas (& yet, second-wave feminists still get routinely refered to as 'Marxists' !),
Much as I personally have a lot of problems with Intersectional Feminism, I don't think that just because they share some ideas with those held by Marxists, that they can legitimately be described as 'Marxist' (or Neo Marxist') any more than I believe that just because an octopus has a beak it makes it a bird. We all have beliefs that overlap with beliefs with other groups (everybody reading this will share at least one belief with Hitler) but as any wise person knows - correlation does not imply causation.
These quibbles aside (bearing in mind that nobody is going to write a 'types of feminism' article that any reader will ever agree 100% with) I commend this piece as an excellent work of research that has been written very fairly & objectively.
Link to original article ~
http://egafeminist.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/summary-types-of-feminism.html
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